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HitlerBadTomGood and Noah Desclian
Hate and Society

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This conversation is the first one that I had. The date is 4 September 2000.

 

HitlerBadTomGood: do you wish to become my student in the punk lifestyle?

Noah Desclian: ..............I guess so, what does it entail?

HitlerBadTomGood: just being like me
HitlerBadTomGood: pissed all the time
HitlerBadTomGood: mean, but interesting and gentle

Noah Desclian: Then no. I don't want to be pissed all the time. I don't want to be mean.

HitlerBadTomGood: but you know me, you'll be like me
HitlerBadTomGood: you'll see all the flaws in society
HitlerBadTomGood: and you'll learn how to personally despise them
HitlerBadTomGood: and you'll find yourself doing everything differently than what everyone does, because they are the ones that give society the flaws

Noah Desclian: If that's the way you think, then I have a lot of work to do with you as my student. The point of my teaching is to be happy all the time and to not despise anyone, but to want to help them be happy.
Noah Desclian: The point of life is not to hate, but to love.
Noah Desclian: THAT is what is wrong with society.

HitlerBadTomGood: then i dunno how to say this...
HitlerBadTomGood: i can't cange like that
HitlerBadTomGood: i have noticed what is wrong with society
HitlerBadTomGood: and have grown to hate it

Noah Desclian: Hate society, not the people within it.

HitlerBadTomGood: therefore i have changed and am different than everyone

Noah Desclian: Society is what is evil, not people.
Noah Desclian: The thing that we call our lifestyle and the things that we do are evil. Humanity is not evil.
Noah Desclian: Don't hate people, Tom-chan, then nothing will change and I won't be able to save the world.

HitlerBadTomGood: but it's the people that corrupt society with the evils we talk about

Noah Desclian: No, it is society that corrupts people. that is the basis of my theories. Society is evil, not the people. We are controled by something that we created. No one in the world at any point in time is in control.

HitlerBadTomGood: society was born as a crime free, peaceful world
HitlerBadTomGood: then man discovered weapons, greed, lust, racism, and hatred
HitlerBadTomGood: with this, man overruled the peaceful world and created a morphed society that we now see today HitlerBadTomGood: with the elimination of the ones that i hate, the ones that corrupted our once peaceful world... HitlerBadTomGood: the world and the people in it, society, can once again return to it's original state

Noah Desclian: Because of your view that people are evil, you can never imagine a world in which people can live in peace, for you will always think of humans as something that are evil. Humans created society so that they could live peacefully, but society gained control and took advantage of humanities traits (curiousity, vulnerablitity, fear) and turned them on humanity and gained the upper hand. After doing this, humanity became a slave to the society which was meant to heal the human race. Humanity began to die out because of this and we are now in the middle of this process. We are headed in the wrong direction and must escape society and build a new one. Hating is something bread in this society and is not a part of man's traits and characteristics.

HitlerBadTomGood: so you are saying that love is above all?

Noah Desclian: yes
Noah Desclian: The love that resides in every human heart resides over all.

HitlerBadTomGood: so would you love a man if he kills your parents? or rapes your wife? or burns down your home?

Noah Desclian: I will not allow a man to degrade and lower my soul by making me hate him. I would hate the society which created a man that felt that it was necessary to do such a horrible thing. I would despise the society that I live in and would fight with a renewed strength against that society to help the future people who feel the same thing.

HitlerBadTomGood: but you don't answer my question

Noah Desclian: No I would not

HitlerBadTomGood: if a man did that, would you not feel hatred and a sens of vengeance?

Noah Desclian: For the man? No.

HitlerBadTomGood: then i pray for you

Noah Desclian: As I pray for you.
Noah Desclian: My heart is free and happy as I lead my life.

HitlerBadTomGood: we have different views on this one topic

Noah Desclian: While the man who hates only feels horrible things.

HitlerBadTomGood: you like people and hate society

Noah Desclian: I seriously shudder to think of living my life hating any human.

HitlerBadTomGood: i hate everything except the things that i find beneficial to society and myself, and try to change those ideals HitlerBadTomGood: example

Noah Desclian: I will not let this one go, my friend. I can not let you go though life with hate in your heart.

HitlerBadTomGood: if i may?

Noah Desclian: yes you may

HitlerBadTomGood: i see many "trendies" that spend all their parents' money on clothes that cost hundreds of dollars, have their parents buy them a new car, and yet they don't work and are lazy slobs that have everything handed to them on a silver spoon. I call these "Rich trendy fucks"
HitlerBadTomGood: i try to reverse this tho
HitlerBadTomGood: I work
HitlerBadTomGood: i work hard
HitlerBadTomGood: i don't accept money from my parents
HitlerBadTomGood: i turn it away
HitlerBadTomGood: they insist, but i won't
HitlerBadTomGood: i spend my own hard earned money

Noah Desclian: As it should be.
Noah Desclian: Tell me when you're done please but keep going if you have more to say.

HitlerBadTomGood: and when other people become like this, like you even, i know (because i know you're not a trendy fuck) then we are all one step closer to being equal, the right way, as you just stated
HitlerBadTomGood: i am one person
HitlerBadTomGood: but i am one more voice that stands in society and is making a change for the good against the evils that man has created to society, like the "rich trendy fucks"
HitlerBadTomGood: one person, but a single powerful voice
HitlerBadTomGood: that may one day be able to persuade another
HitlerBadTomGood: and then i will know i have done something good to restore society to the form it was once a long time ago
HitlerBadTomGood: i am done

Noah Desclian: I think of you as a wise man in almost every area in life and if you could get out and teach people, you could make a difference. But let me ask you, where do all these trendy people and trendy people's parents learn this from? They learn this from those whom come before them and by the society which surrounds them. THey learn this not from their own minds. They do not think when they are born "Let me take advantage of the human race" but are taught by the society "Take advantage of humanity." That is why you should not hate the trendy (for they are a victim in this) but hsould hate what teaches them this tought, and that is the society. Pity the trendy.

HitlerBadTomGood: tell em when you are done, but continue if needed

Noah Desclian: I'm done.
Noah Desclian: sorry :P

HitlerBadTomGood: now, soceity was not always liek this
HitlerBadTomGood: many many centuries ago
HitlerBadTomGood: life was peaceful
HitlerBadTomGood: look at the early settlers
HitlerBadTomGood: look at the civilizations of great rome and egypt
HitlerBadTomGood: but look even further
HitlerBadTomGood: to when there was no one
HitlerBadTomGood: society was nothing
HitlerBadTomGood: nothing, and peaceful
HitlerBadTomGood: an innocent bystander
HitlerBadTomGood: then people came
HitlerBadTomGood: people learned to hate one another and connected it with violence(which i will never do despite my hatred)
HitlerBadTomGood: and people formed weapons
HitlerBadTomGood: the society which was an innocent bystander became the home of these people
HitlerBadTomGood: and as technology grew for the worse, society only could accept these people
HitlerBadTomGood: and society turned into what humans created it
HitlerBadTomGood: what humanity created
HitlerBadTomGood: a society now fueled by the evils that came with the first ones
HitlerBadTomGood: where did the trendies and their families learn it from?
HitlerBadTomGood: it all developed
HitlerBadTomGood: not from the innocent bystander
HitlerBadTomGood: but from the ones who corrupted the innocent bystander
HitlerBadTomGood: i am done now

Noah Desclian: If you think that the egyptians were peaceful, then you're wrong. If you belive that Rome was peaceful then you're wrong. Rome and egypt were societies that were precursurs to our own and the horrible things that they pracitced are the ancestors of our horrible acts. But man created the society which we live in for one reason: proctection. Humanity created it because they were scared of what was out there and wanted to protect themselves from it. They feared nature and planted crops and fought the animals with weapons. Then, when they had defeated all that they feared, they began to grow weary of the peace, for their society was not one of peace, but one of war and hate. They then fought hard to find something to hate and something to battle. At the end of their search, they found other humans. Then they began to fight between themselves, trying to rid the world of humans, of themselves. And behind all this is not human nature, but the society that was created to protect humans, which flew out of control and destroy the human.
Noah Desclian: done

HitlerBadTomGood: ok, i wish i could go on, but this is becomming weary
HitlerBadTomGood: so i am gonna say my conlusion

Noah Desclian: okay

HitlerBadTomGood: to quote mathew lillard in the movie slc punk
HitlerBadTomGood: which descibes what my punk belief is all about
HitlerBadTomGood: "The world was not fucked up, just the people in it."
HitlerBadTomGood: tha's all i have to say

Noah Desclian: I'm sorry you feel that way. :-(

HitlerBadTomGood: if i was talking to you face to face, i would continue this

Noah Desclian: Agreed.

HitlerBadTomGood: but i cannot say that you are stupid
HitlerBadTomGood: you have some great arguments

Noah Desclian: Agreed, on your side as well.

HitlerBadTomGood: here's something else i found

Noah Desclian: sure

HitlerBadTomGood: it's about the sex pistols
HitlerBadTomGood: one of the earliest, truest punk bands
HitlerBadTomGood: Two months later, the Pistols sign their third and final record deal, this time with Richard Branson's Virgin label. The Virgin Records Press Release calls the Pistols "Youth disenchanted with society and mainstream rock... Four working-class teenagers who reacted against the elitist pretensions of their one-time heroes. Since nobody else was playing the music they wanted to hear, they'd play it themselves. They sing anti-love songs, cynical songs about suburbia and repression, hate and aggression."
HitlerBadTomGood: just something i felt like throwing in
HitlerBadTomGood: goes against my argument
HitlerBadTomGood: but another factor that contributes to my punk state
HitlerBadTomGood: i'm just a working class teenager

Noah Desclian: AS WE ALL ARE

HitlerBadTomGood: who finds a disgrace in what society has to offer and the people in it

Noah Desclian: BUT THEN AGAIN, SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, WE CAN BE SOMETHING MORE.

HitlerBadTomGood: so i am trying to create a new life, like me
HitlerBadTomGood: we can be something more
HitlerBadTomGood: that's what i am doing
HitlerBadTomGood: i am not out to start a new trned
HitlerBadTomGood: i do what i feel is right
HitlerBadTomGood: i just hope others will see it
HitlerBadTomGood: and follow me

Noah Desclian: And that is what far to many people miss

HitlerBadTomGood: because it is what i feel can fix the flaws in society